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Carol Cox:
We’re starting our new series on Big Ideas with my conversation with Jackie Roby on finding your big Idea by noticing what’s missing on this episode of the Speaking Your Brand podcast. More and more women are making an impact by starting businesses, running for office and speaking up for what matters. With my background as a TV political analyst, entrepreneur and speaker, I interview and coach purpose driven women to shape their brands, grow their companies, and become recognized as influencers in their field. This is speaking your brand, your place to learn how to persuasively communicate your message to your audience. Hi and welcome to the Speaking Your Brand podcast. I’m your host, Carol Cox. This episode kicks off our new series on Big Ideas. This concept of big ideas was really popularized by Ted talks, by the Ted conference. And the reason I believe that Ted talks and Ted talks became so popular was because they showcased big ideas that oftentimes came from, or were influenced by the speaker’s own personal story or experience. Really great Ted talks tell us something that we haven’t thought of before and inspire us to take action. It also doesn’t hurt that they’re under 20 minutes in length. So what does it mean to have a big idea? Your big idea doesn’t need to be something that’s never been talked about before, or something that’s new research that you’ve done that has uncovered something for the first time.
Carol Cox:
And if yours happens to do that, that’s great, but it’s not necessary. I like to think of big ideas as ones that aren’t getting talked about in your circles, in your community, or in your industry. Big ideas can often be found at the intersection of your industry, and a trend. And trends are very different from fads. And I talk about the differences between those two. In episode 206, which was the very first episode of January 2021 on trends in public speaking and thought leadership. Now, an example of the intersection of an industry and a trend is episode 163 that I did in March of 2020 when I talked about a feminist approach to public speaking. Of course, public speaking is not a new topic, and feminism is not a new topic. But combining those together, finding the intersection of those is something new. So start thinking about what are some intersections of your industry and areas that you have an interest in, or trends that you see that are going on. Because big ideas are not just for Ted talks, they also inform your thought leadership. And I am so excited to bring on the podcast today. Jackie Roby, who is the founder of Inspired Journey Consulting, which is a business dedicated to wellness, healing and transformational tourism and travel.
Carol Cox:
And yes, we talk about what exactly that means. What is wellness, travel and healing travel. Jackie was one of our incredible speakers at our last Brave Bull Beyond Live Virtual Summit, and is currently in our Thought Leader Academy, and she’s working on her thought leadership project, which we talk about in this episode. So in our conversation, Jackie and I talk about how she found her big ideas and so her big ideas relate to healing travel. They also relate to helping travel companies with Dei diversity, equity and inclusion, and how she really noticed what was missing in the travel industry, which she’s been a part of for many, many years. And that’s what sparked these big ideas. And speaking of our brave bull Beyond Live Virtual Summit, our next one is happening on April 1st, 2021. You won’t want to miss it. The event is entirely free and it happens live only on April 1st. You can go ahead and sign up now or register for the event, depending on when you’re listening to this. By going to speaking your brand. Com slash summit again that’s speaking your brand.com/summit. Now let’s get on with the show. Welcome to the podcast Jackie.
Jackie Roby:
Thank you so much Carol. I’m really grateful to be here.
Carol Cox:
I’m excited to have you on. You were one of our fabulous speakers at our Brave Bull Beyond Live Virtual Summit that we held in October 2020, and you really blew the audience away. The women who were there watching and in the chat with your very powerful story and very personal story that you shared. And I just love to see what has come just from the fall to where we are now, here in January of 2021. And you’re also in our Thought Leader Academy. So you’ve been working on some things related to your specific industry. So Jackie, tell us what it is that you do. And then we’ll dive into some of these initiatives and projects that you have going on.
Jackie Roby:
Sure. My company is Inspired Journey Consulting, and I am a sales strategist and social media amplifier for healing and wellness travel businesses. It’s a niche piece of the travel industry that I discovered about 17 years into being in sales in that arena, and it blew my mind and sang to my soul. So I wanted to do more to help.
Carol Cox:
And when did you start your own company?
Jackie Roby:
A little over a year ago was October 2019.
Carol Cox:
Wow. Well, you’ve done quite a bit, and I know you’re very active on social media, especially Instagram as well as LinkedIn. So I see you there quite a bit. And so tell us a little bit about where you see what the travel industry is doing right now, you know, related to social media. And then that’s one aspect of what you help them with regarding their sales and marketing. But I know that there’s so much more. And we’re going to talk a little bit about Dei. And with the travel industry as well as this other, your new podcast and the hashtag that you have. And so it’s all related to travel, right? Because you have such a long history in this industry. So what are some of the things that kind of have bubbled up for you in the past few years where you’re thinking, oh, this isn’t getting talked about enough in our circles, but there’s an opportunity here for companies, you travel companies to to leverage these ideas and to do something positive with them.
Jackie Roby:
Gosh, so much honestly. So first and foremost in the wellness and healing travel arena. Um, the fact that I had been in the industry for so long and never even heard about that niche, that blew my mind, that I think needs to be discussed in a way that can really meet people where they are. And that’s a big piece of how I envision the voice that I’m bringing is really to meet people in the space that they are, whether it comes to wellness and healing or if we are looking in the diversity, equity, inclusion space as well. That’s another piece that really has not been focused on for the majority. There are some amazing companies that do it really well, but it’s because it’s built into their DNA and their values. When we look at social media overall, I think it’s been very separate from the sales effort and being a sales person and also somebody who’s visual and participates on social media, what I recognize is sales is a very social thing. And obviously social media, it’s not just about putting pictures up there, so how can we tie them together? And that’s what I look to do and that’s how I help my clients.
Carol Cox:
So let’s talk about what does wellness travel look like as you mentioned. Like that was something that you had not necessarily heard of even though you had been working in the industry. And I think about some of the like one trip in particular that my husband and I did in 2012, where we went to Peru with this company called the Mountain Lodges of Peru, and we hiked from lodge to lodge over a span of a week and ended up in Machu Picchu. And it was an incredible experience that we had. And even though it wasn’t billed as wellness travel, I’m very much feel like that’s what ended up happening for us. So is that the type of thing that’s going on?
Jackie Roby:
That is absolutely a piece of it. I think that’s such a great example. Wellness travel is around the mind, body and spirit. So that trip to Peru had you in nature, um, which is a beautiful piece of it, had you moving your body. And those kinds of moments are, are leading to a sense of stillness, even though you’re in motion, which really helps your mind as well. So when you’re looking specifically in, in wellness, it really is hitting those three areas and it can be more a lot of people think of detoxes, right? Or yoga retreats and all of those are absolutely a piece of it. So it really does span. But it’s not just going somewhere and getting a spa treatment. So I would say that’s really key. You can have wellness with spas. You can have wellness without spas. And then on the other side of that, healing travel has the elements of wellness with more of an intention and an openness for support where you’re ready looking, willing to do the work.
Carol Cox:
So say that I or someone wants to do some type of of healing travel. So some type of destination a trip does the I’m thinking of the word venue, but venue is not the right word. Like the hotel, the retreat center, whatever happens to be. So are they facilitating this healing process? Like do they have certain type of staff available or like, what does it look like if someone if a place wants to bill itself as healing travel.
Jackie Roby:
They absolutely have a team in place to guide you through this process with different modalities based on really what the destination is like, as well as the purpose of the resort or wellness center or retreat. Uh, for example, if you go to Ananda in the Himalayas in India, they are focusing on Ayurveda and they do some beautiful work where they speak to travelers prior to arrival to really go in depth and set up a plan for when you get there, and then you have your itinerary there. You’re met with and checked in with. Daily things can be modified. Your, uh, your food is matched to, uh, help to balance your dosha. And then from there, after check out, they still are following up with you to make sure that you’re able to maintain and continue on this healing journey.
Carol Cox:
And Jackie, how did this idea of. Wellness, travel and healing travel bubble up for you in the first place.
Jackie Roby:
Well, I fell into a really deep depression about 14 years ago. I mean, it hit me. It knocked me off my feet, and I spent a significant amount of time in therapy and actually still in therapy. It’s the gift you give yourself. And I then did a lot of reading with it because once I found myself balanced in outside of depression a few years later, I met the love of my life and he had this moment with me where he said, you’re not happy. You’re, you know, I come over and and it’s like, um, it’s like going to a funeral. It’s just so sad in here. And I couldn’t fathom what he meant because I’d never been, never felt happier. So I started to learn more about happiness and the choices that you make behind it. And all of that contributed to my mental wellness in addition to that. So spending all of this time doing that and then learning about the modalities available within travel, I thought I could have really used that support, and I wanted to make sure that I could help others reach that sooner.
Carol Cox:
Looking back, do you see that you did. You took some trips that ended up being healing for you, even though they weren’t booked as such originally?
Jackie Roby:
Um, yes, absolutely. My first trip to Canyon Ranch, I knew it was going to be wellness, and I was like, oh, I’m going to do this, I’m going to do this, I’m going to do this. And I got so much out of it. Uh, one of the things that I did, which is, I think a little off of what you would expect when you’re going, is a session called Life Mapping. And it was the last, kind of my last year at my old position before I started my business. And all I wanted was to get promoted. Right. My career has always been a priority for me, and I’ve always, honestly, I’ve always been promoted. I’ve I’ve had a very, you know, a wonderful I’ve worked really hard and I was struggling and I worked with this coach to talk about my goals, talk about how I could reach them and literally draw out a map of how to reach them and roadblocks that were in the way and then support systems. And could any of these people that were support, help with those roadblocks? And how can I go about doing that and just having that perspective and that support and that process? I looked at that. I felt so motivated. I went in the next day, I, you know, was busting through the doors ready for promotion, putting business plans together, you know, pitching myself, doing everything I needed to do. And one of the pieces of advice she gave me was, now do all of this. And if you’re not getting the result that you want, you realize you have to look other places. You’ve got to make another plan. I said, okay, but I got this. So I went in and I did that and lo and behold, I have my own company. But however, it was a huge moment of of life changing moment for me.
Carol Cox:
So then, okay, so thinking about this idea of, of healing travel for you, Jackie, you now have as part of the Thought Leader Academy, the first month you all spend thinking about your thought leadership message and your thought leadership project. So share with us what you decided to do for your thought leadership project.
Jackie Roby:
Well, uh, two things. I started a podcast, so my podcast is called Through Inspired Eyes Travel Can Heal. And with that, I also started, um, a challenge and movement called Travel Can Heal. The premise of it is to really connect a community of people looking to heal, whether it’s trauma survivors or people going through depression, those have been oppressed. Whatever it is that you’re dealing with, any of us honestly, within how we went through 2020 could use support. And so it’s really bringing that community together for one, showing you’re not alone, and then also being able to work with all of those resorts, hotels, wellness centers, retreat leaders, healers, travel advisors who help and educate about what they do. So that way you’re making that connection and teaching and showing so people can start their healing journey and have that support, uh, as soon as possible.
Carol Cox:
Well, I have a feeling that after this pandemic is over and people are vaccinated, that the travel industry is going to have a huge boom, because I know I cannot wait to be able to go somewhere.
Jackie Roby:
Yes.
Carol Cox:
And to your point, I think a lot of us will need healing after everything that we’ve been through 100%. Hi, this is Carol popping in here for just a couple of minutes. As you’ve heard, Jackie was one of our incredible speakers at our last Brave Bold Beyond Live virtual summit. She was kind enough to record this clip for us about her experience speaking at the summit, why she decided to do so in the first place, and the impact that has had on her. Here’s Jackie being.
Jackie Roby:
Chosen as a speaker at brave. Bold Beyond was life changing for me, the grandfather that abused me. He died in August 2020. I was on the phone with my sister and through my tears, I told her that eventually I would tell my story on stage. At a bigger audience was going to hear this because I was going to help others. I wanted them to know they weren’t alone. I didn’t want people to go through what I went through for so long. Within a matter of days. The announcement for speakers and the ability to apply that all hit my inbox. So to me, this was the universe passing me the mic, giving me that nudge. I spent years feeling shame, guilt and doubt about the abuse. I was terrified to share it with my family. Every family member I told individually, one at a time, throughout a decade. Each time it was painful. Each time it was scary because I was telling myself that their discomfort and pain was my fault. When I met my husband and I told him I was so nervous and embarrassed, I was convinced he was going to look at me differently. I don’t know, somehow tainted. And this certainly isn’t a story you tell at a business dinner. I was scared people would feel sorry for me. They would see me as a weak victim, not a strong career professional.
Jackie Roby:
And then create reasons not to trust me. See, this is what abuse does, right? This. This is why it’s so dangerous. One of the reasons. The after effects. But on that virtual stage, my voice mattered as much as I was there to help women. They were helping to show me that I wasn’t alone and none of this was my fault. The coaching process, it didn’t just help me fine tune my message, it gave me the extra confidence to share this deeply personal experience. And all of those weeks was actually a really big part of my own healing journey, and I didn’t realize that until afterwards. Meanwhile, I was shifting my business to match my transparent nature. I really wanted to share my healing journey because it fuels everything I do. And at those moments where I was second guessing this decision. Speaking your brand and Brave Bold Beyond helped me to stand firm in this change. I became determined to keep using my voice, and now I set monthly goals for speaking engagements. So as a sales strategist and lifelong salesperson, I’m proud to say that I consistently exceed those goals. I would not have moved into this space of speaking with such confidence and a sense of determined urgency without speaking your brand. And for that, I’m forever grateful. Like I said, that summit changed my life.
Carol Cox:
I’m so honored that Jackie chose to share her story on our virtual stage. If you like to register to attend our next Brave Soul Beyond Live Virtual Summit, go to Speaking Your brand.com/summit. Again, that’s speaking your brand com slash summit. It’s entirely free. Now let’s get back to our conversation. Let’s talk a little bit so we the travel can heal is your challenge your movement. And it’s also related to your new podcast that you’re doing. And we’ll make sure to include links in the show notes so people can find all of those different things there. Then the Dei work that you’re doing as well in the travel industry. So is there a connection between this travel can heal and the Dei work?
Jackie Roby:
Uh, yes there is. I would call myself a diversity, equity, inclusion advocate. Everything that I do in my business and my approach in how I speak and how I communicate is in a way that’s going to be inclusive. I believe that with that, you know, oppression is abuse. And when you have oppression, you cannot have true wellness and healing. So I, I want to see more of an inclusive space. And one of the things that I’ve seen in the travel industry, which has been really hurting my heart for years, is a lack of equity and inclusion. I myself have experienced it and I didn’t even know it was happening. I had, for a lack of better terms, been whitewashed for my life my whole life. And it wasn’t until I started to educate myself around the topic to really see and uncover and notice what we weren’t doing. And I think there’s incredible opportunity for growth in that space. And I also want to get an understanding and speak to what inclusive wellness looks like.
Carol Cox:
So tell me more about that.
Jackie Roby:
Yeah. So that’s something that I’m spending time talking to people and learning about. Black women have started and I I’m not going to give you dates on it because I don’t know. But they’ve done a good job really coming together and create a community around healing for black women, the Latina Latinx community, a little bit, the trans community I’m learning more about as well. I’ve spent some time with the people of all abilities to learn more about what that looks like, too, because inclusivity is not just race. So I want to see how that speaks in my industry and how we can be better. And something even as simple as going to the spa and as a trans person and wondering which changing room you’re supposed to go into, right? Or having the jewelry out in the gift shop. And one says men’s jewelry doesn’t necessarily need to. These are things to to keep in mind.
Carol Cox:
And Jackie, I, I really appreciate what you said, that you were noticing what we meaning the travel industry, what we weren’t doing. And and for those of you listening, you know, this this series that we’re doing right now on the podcast is about big ideas. So how can you think of of what’s a big idea related to your topic, the message that you want to share. And for big ideas, they don’t have to be these grand things that no one in the world has ever talked about in one way or another. Very unlikely that you’re going to invent something brand new that that no, no other person has ever uttered. Instead, think about like intersections of things, which is what you’re doing, Jackie, where you’re looking at Dei, which is we hear so much about in like corporate America and then but you’re applying that to the travel industry. So finding those intersections, but then also to your point, noticing what’s missing or noticing what’s not happening or not being talked about or not being done. And what I like to say, like your little corner of the internet so we doesn’t have to be like again for the whole world. It just has to be like in your corner of the internet, which for you, Jackie, is a travel industry and even more specifically wellness and healing travel. Like what is not happening or not getting talked about.
Jackie Roby:
Yes, absolutely. Um, and then, you know, another piece when we think about big ideas that I’ve put forward in terms of what my business model is, is really also that connection with the traveler. Like I said, I want to communicate the magic of wellness and healing travel, and one of the best ways to do that is to reach everyone that needs it.
Carol Cox:
Well, I just even think about this. All the advertisements that travel destinations do. And what do you mostly see as far as the people in those advertisements? Young, white, skinny, attractive people?
Jackie Roby:
100%. I can tell you that when I look even at certain wellness destinations and I see the pictures young, skinny, white, um, I see things about weight loss, which, yeah, you can have that. But what does that mean for those of us that are working on body acceptance that aren’t looking to lose weight, you know that it’s not an inclusive feeling. So there’s room to grow, room to change.
Carol Cox:
And then I know that a lot of times it can be uncomfortable for people, especially within an industry, to start nudging on some of these issues because, you know, who wants to be the one to kind of point out all of these either omissions or things that, like the times are changing, you know, we need to change the way that we’re advertising and the ways that we’re we’re marketing and communicating with people. How do you feel, Jackie, about being the one who’s kind of nudging and pushing the buttons?
Jackie Roby:
Well, I work remotely and have actually for quite some time since 2000, uh, 12. So, you know, in my home, it feels kind of safe, but. You know, I think the what I try to hold dear to me is knowing that standing for something is better, and I’m going to bring the people that are meant to be in my world, bring the businesses that are meant to work with me because of that value. So I guess I, I feel confident around it. No. That’s great.
Carol Cox:
And to your point, then you’re attracting the businesses who are ready to do something about it, who are ready to change. You know, whenever we work with our clients, we, whatever their topic is or their industry is like, people are on a spectrum. There are some people who are way at the far end of the spectrum, like you, Jackie, in the industry, like you understand the issues, you get it. You’re advocating for them. There are people at the very opposite end of the spectrum who just literally just have no clue, like, wouldn’t even understand the vocabulary and. They just have no interest at this point. And so it’s like, how can you find the people who are maybe halfway towards you versus worrying about the people who were way back at the beginning? At this point, absolutely.
Jackie Roby:
And I think, you know, I can say that for most of my career, I spent so much of the time worried about the other end of the spectrum and terrified of what people would think of me and terrified of of everything. So it feels pretty amazing to not be scared.
Carol Cox:
What do you attribute to that change in yourself?
Jackie Roby:
My healing journey. That it changed me. It made me look at life differently. I look at myself differently and recognize what’s most important. It was a piece of the the talk that I gave at the summit, where I talked about not going out for drinks or, you know, not staying out late for drinks because I used to stay out late for drinks. I had really bad situations with men in business and. I wasn’t safe, so I need to be safe. Uh, my mental health, my healing, my everything is going to be more important. So learning all of those things about priorities helped me to stand more in my power.
Carol Cox:
Um, I know you talked a bit about boundaries in your summit speech as well.
Jackie Roby:
Yeah, they keep I keep finding new ways that they need to be sad. It’s amazing how that happens. Yes.
Carol Cox:
But Jackie, I have a I have some more things that I have thought of as we’ve been having this conversation. And I want to go back to thinking about travel in general. What do you think it is about travel that provides healing for people?
Jackie Roby:
Um, it is a chance to be away from your every day. We’ve really seen how what value there is to getting outside of our four walls. I’m personally a hotel person I like, I like people taking care of me, I just do. But whether or not you are, you’re going to a different place. So it’s outside of your norm, which just automatically changes your thinking. And if you’re in that state of relaxation where you can disconnect, uh, it launches differently and you have a chance to set an intention for yourself and to think about what you want that trip to bring, what kind of negative emotions you need to release in order to achieve those positive results. And set that prior to your trip. Or first day or on the plane, and it’ll help you along the way. It will change you and then the people that you meet, the communities that you see, the differences in culture and it it that’s a global thing, obviously, but it can be city to city, really taking it in and observing it in a way that is open minded and excited and empathetic.
Carol Cox:
Yeah, again, thinking back to that trip to Peru that I wanted went on in 2012 and that was, I believe, the first time I had been to a underdeveloped country. We used to call it a third world country. I don’t I’m not sure what the correct terminology is nowadays, but, you know, I’ve traveled to Europe, I’ve traveled in North America. So that’s very different. And obviously, you know, you see the poverty. You see literally people living in paper shacks on the sides of the hills and like, you know, we would drive through these towns and we would get out and have, you know, uh, meals at the local restaurants and, you know, meet a lot of the people there. And we learned about their culture and their language. But the gratitude that I felt for the luck that I was born in the United States and the time period that I was born in, and just and taking just the gratitude that I had for how many opportunities, educational opportunities, economic opportunities, political opportunities that we have in the United States and other similar countries compared to how so many other people live on this globe, was profoundly transformative for me, even though I had read, you know, again, I was a history major. Like I read about all these things, but seeing it and experiencing it was very different. Absolutely.
Jackie Roby:
I can see that. And that’s a beautiful result.
Carol Cox:
It is. So, Jackie, where are you looking forward to traveling once we can like once you we can go again literally anywhere in the world that we want to go.
Jackie Roby:
Oh, I have a list. Um, I really want to go to Bali. That’s been on my list for quite some time. Um, there’s a beautiful property in Quebec City. Uh, le Monastere that I’m very interested in going to. Um. I would love to go back to Greece. London. I’ve been missing. I used to travel to London about six times a year for work, so I’ve definitely been craving that. I don’t know, I could keep going.
Carol Cox:
Yes, I know, I know, like the like we have a lot of to catch up on with travel since it’s since we lost like a year, a year and a half, maybe even two years worth of time on that. Yeah, I’m really looking forward to going. I would love to go back to Peru or Costa Rica. Greece sounds amazing. Bali. My husband has mentioned Bali a few times. I don’t like long plane flights, so I tend to kind of like stick to ones that are maybe like 7 or 8 hours versus the longer ones.
Jackie Roby:
I do the same thing. And I would say in the past it’s really been based on vacation time because I’m so used to short trips and this and that and, and hoarding my time because I don’t have a ton of it. But I am dreaming of the day of a 30 day sabbatical.
Carol Cox:
Yes, I’ve already decided for the next holiday. So December 2021 I really want to take three weeks off instead of two weeks, because two weeks did not quite feel like enough time.
Jackie Roby:
No that’s perfect.
Carol Cox:
All right Jackie. So we’re we’re. And for those of you listening, if you haven’t already made your list of places that you want to travel to go start daydreaming. Let us know on social media. Uh, check out Jackie on Instagram or LinkedIn and myself as well and let us know. Like, where do you want to travel? And I would love to know also, if any, for those of you listening, if you have done some type of healing destination or healing travel, whether you called it that at the time or not, I would find that really interesting to see, uh, you know, who’s out there and what type of travel that you’ve done. All right, Jackie, tell us, what are you most excited about regarding the work that you’re doing in the Thought Leader Academy? We’re about halfway through right now. And then what do you have on the horizon for 2021?
Jackie Roby:
I love the Thought Leader Academy. Um, I found it so motivating and thrilling. I putting together my campaign around travel can heal and putting my podcast out. That was something that has really hit home and and I’m proud of. I’m currently working on my signature talks. I’m going to be launching a webinar around sales strategies for social media to direct pent up travel demand and increase revenue, and that will be coming in February that I’m going to host that. So very excited about that. The week of February 22nd. I appreciate all that’s the support that I’ve gotten there. That’s really for me come a very long way. And then for 2021, um, I, I’m ready to get back on the road, uh, for one. But, you know, with that, I’m, I’m really excited about the Travel Can Heal community and highlighting all of these incredible visionaries across the globe. To be able to support people on their journeys.
Carol Cox:
Wonderful, Jackie. Well, I’m excited for everything. And since this episode will air in early February, we’ll include a link to your website in the show notes, and then people can go check out the webinar on your website and register there if there’s something of interest to them, or you just want to see Jackie in action on her webinar.
Jackie Roby:
I think yes, come play.
Carol Cox:
Jackie, what is your Instagram handle?
Jackie Roby:
It is at Inspired Journey Consulting.
Carol Cox:
Okay, great. At Inspired Journey Consulting go find Jackie there. She is great on social media. You are so engaging. You have fantastic videos that you post with the with a lot of the people that you interview. Jackie, thank you so much for coming on the Speaking Your Brand podcast and for being a wonderful supporter of the Speaking Your Brand community, and an inspiration to the other women in there as well.
Jackie Roby:
Oh, thank you so much. It’s honestly like a dream come true.
Carol Cox:
I am so inspired by what Jackie is doing within her industry, and how willing she is to be vulnerable and transparent about her experiences in the show. Notes. For this episode, you can find links to Jackie’s website to her podcast called Through Inspired Eyes Travel Can Heal. I’ve also included a link to Jackie’s speech from our last Brave Bold Beyond Live virtual summit. It is incredible. And in that list of links there, you can also sign up to get updates for our very next live virtual summit happening on April 1st. That’s us speaking your brand.com/summit. You can also get on the interest for our Thought Leader Academy, which is opening back up also in April 2021. And you can do that as speaking your brand. Com slash Academy and next week’s episode, I’m talking to one of our other thought leader Academy members who has just recently done her very first TEDx talk. So we’re going to talk about that experience, how she took her academic topic and made it into a compelling TEDx talk for everyone to listen to. So if you haven’t subscribed yet to the podcast, be sure to do that now. Until next time, thanks for listening.
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